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		By: YOO		</title>
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		<pubDate>Sun, 04 Mar 2007 09:22:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		By: JesterXL		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[JesterXL]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 05:03:01 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[The security model is the same as Flash 7 running in a Flash Player 7 desktop SWF.  So, you can hit any domain you want.  This doesn&#039;t count for SWF&#039;s running in a browser, though, only the Flash Lite projector player.

Thankfully, too, it doesn&#039;t have the Flash 8 bs (which is unfortunately justified) of not being able to access both local and remote resources.  Betcha $10 bucks, though, Flash Lite 3 does have that restriction.  Regardless, for the Symbians, I&#039;ll just throw my customers a SIS, modify their registry, and tell the security sandbox to suck it.

When I was learning dot syntax in Director, I didn&#039;t know anything, so... frankly, I couldn&#039;t tell the difference, hehe.

Yes, correct, scalability of code working with more data or changes in the requirements for the application.

Yes, when I get back from 360 Flex, I&#039;ll put up a demo.  I&#039;ll post the app on the 15th of March.

&lt;blockquote&gt;Good luck on the contest.&lt;/blockquote&gt;

Thanks!

Frankly, I&#039;m not sure how the emulator gets its data, and I certainly don&#039;t trust it&#039;s representation of Garbage Collection... but memory in Flash has always been a mystery; delete n&#039; pray.

:: shrugs :: I don&#039;t know about you, but if you&#039;ve ever done an AS2 project vs. an AS3 in the same realm, AS2 is just insanely faster to develop in.  Furthermore, stuff that ISN&#039;T supposed to work does meaning you don&#039;t have runtime exceptions ruining your day.  If you know the error is harmless, your content just goes on like nothing happened.  I&#039;m sure if I was building an Enterprise application, someone could throw the strong-typing angle at me... but:
&lt;ol&gt;
  &lt;li&gt;You can&#039;t&lt;/li&gt;
  &lt;li&gt;Most apps are small in scope&lt;/li&gt;
  &lt;li&gt;They are more design oreinated, and more concerned with deadlines vs. &#039;how scaleable is the code?&#039;&lt;/li&gt;
&lt;ol&gt;

A conference app for example only needs to work for 3 days... and then maybe even another 4 as people demo it or something.

I mean, seriously, you and I have talked about this; have you gone even 1 day this week where you didn&#039;t get a script error for some Flash Player 9 content?

I can go to &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.newgrounds.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;newgrounds.com&lt;/a&gt; or &lt;a href=&quot;http://www.albinoblacksheep.com&quot; rel=&quot;nofollow&quot;&gt;albinoblacksheep.com&lt;/a&gt; and see plenty of amatuer &#038; professional content from a variety of people around the world... and it all works.

What does that have to do with Java?  Well...
&lt;ol&gt;
  &lt;li&gt;I have a transferrable skillset that can be leveraged on devices&lt;/li&gt;
  &lt;li&gt;Flash is easy to design in (not the code part)&lt;/li&gt;
  &lt;li&gt;My stuff will work on a variety of devices (so I&#039;m told)&lt;/li&gt;


So, I know Flash Lite, and can code it now.  I don&#039;t have to learn a new toolset.  Secondly, I&#039;ve never seen or heard good things about &#039;designing in Java&#039;.  Doesn&#039;t mean it doesn&#039;t exist, I just don&#039;t hear a lot about it, and thus take that at face value.  Third, some of the early components I sent out on the Flash Lite list were tested by dudes on phones all over the planet... and they worked!  That&#039;s f&#039;ing hot to know that my content doesn&#039;t need to be modified code wise, only design wise.

Java, from what I&#039;ve seen, is a lot like AS3, and my love of AS2 is that you can put enough loose typing in there to get stuff done, and done quickly.  Of course, I&#039;m sure if I met a J2ME dude who knew what he was talking about, he may change my mind.  Till then, Flash Lite FTW!!!


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The security model is the same as Flash 7 running in a Flash Player 7 desktop SWF.  So, you can hit any domain you want.  This doesn&#8217;t count for SWF&#8217;s running in a browser, though, only the Flash Lite projector player.</p>
<p>Thankfully, too, it doesn&#8217;t have the Flash 8 bs (which is unfortunately justified) of not being able to access both local and remote resources.  Betcha $10 bucks, though, Flash Lite 3 does have that restriction.  Regardless, for the Symbians, I&#8217;ll just throw my customers a SIS, modify their registry, and tell the security sandbox to suck it.</p>
<p>When I was learning dot syntax in Director, I didn&#8217;t know anything, so&#8230; frankly, I couldn&#8217;t tell the difference, hehe.</p>
<p>Yes, correct, scalability of code working with more data or changes in the requirements for the application.</p>
<p>Yes, when I get back from 360 Flex, I&#8217;ll put up a demo.  I&#8217;ll post the app on the 15th of March.</p>
<blockquote><p>Good luck on the contest.</p></blockquote>
<p>Thanks!</p>
<p>Frankly, I&#8217;m not sure how the emulator gets its data, and I certainly don&#8217;t trust it&#8217;s representation of Garbage Collection&#8230; but memory in Flash has always been a mystery; delete n&#8217; pray.</p>
<p>:: shrugs :: I don&#8217;t know about you, but if you&#8217;ve ever done an AS2 project vs. an AS3 in the same realm, AS2 is just insanely faster to develop in.  Furthermore, stuff that ISN&#8217;T supposed to work does meaning you don&#8217;t have runtime exceptions ruining your day.  If you know the error is harmless, your content just goes on like nothing happened.  I&#8217;m sure if I was building an Enterprise application, someone could throw the strong-typing angle at me&#8230; but:</p>
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<li>You can&#8217;t</li>
<li>Most apps are small in scope</li>
<li>They are more design oreinated, and more concerned with deadlines vs. &#8216;how scaleable is the code?&#8217;</li>
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<p>A conference app for example only needs to work for 3 days&#8230; and then maybe even another 4 as people demo it or something.</p>
<p>I mean, seriously, you and I have talked about this; have you gone even 1 day this week where you didn&#8217;t get a script error for some Flash Player 9 content?</p>
<p>I can go to <a href="http://www.newgrounds.com" rel="nofollow">newgrounds.com</a> or <a href="http://www.albinoblacksheep.com" rel="nofollow">albinoblacksheep.com</a> and see plenty of amatuer &amp; professional content from a variety of people around the world&#8230; and it all works.</p>
<p>What does that have to do with Java?  Well&#8230;
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<li>I have a transferrable skillset that can be leveraged on devices</li>
<li>Flash is easy to design in (not the code part)</li>
<li>My stuff will work on a variety of devices (so I&#8217;m told)</li>
<p>So, I know Flash Lite, and can code it now.  I don&#8217;t have to learn a new toolset.  Secondly, I&#8217;ve never seen or heard good things about &#8216;designing in Java&#8217;.  Doesn&#8217;t mean it doesn&#8217;t exist, I just don&#8217;t hear a lot about it, and thus take that at face value.  Third, some of the early components I sent out on the Flash Lite list were tested by dudes on phones all over the planet&#8230; and they worked!  That&#8217;s f&#8217;ing hot to know that my content doesn&#8217;t need to be modified code wise, only design wise.</p>
<p>Java, from what I&#8217;ve seen, is a lot like AS3, and my love of AS2 is that you can put enough loose typing in there to get stuff done, and done quickly.  Of course, I&#8217;m sure if I met a J2ME dude who knew what he was talking about, he may change my mind.  Till then, Flash Lite FTW!!!</p>
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		By: Phillip Kerman		</title>
		<link>https://jessewarden.com/2007/03/flash-lite-2-development-thoughts-on-the-google-calendar-aftermath.html/comment-page-1#comment-4181</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Phillip Kerman]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 04:28:08 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Bill--feel free to share stuff here too... I&#039;ll read it.

I have a couple direct comment/questions:

&#039;Come back in a year&#039;  funny... that line is what Macromedia has said for the last 5 years or so!  (Not their fault of course.)

I didn&#039;t know the security model was different in flashlite--is that because Flash 7 is different than 8?  I guess I could research it but this is news to me.

OOP is for the developer not the app low end performance.  Back in the dark ages, I learned that when they added dot-syntax to Director it was actually slower than the verbose version... that&#039;s fun.

You said scalabiliy... you&#039;re just talking about scalling up the sophistication of the app right?  It&#039;s not like you&#039;re concerned with millions of users downloading the app, right?

Do you have a web port for us to check out or maybe just a video of you calendaring? I want to see. 

Good luck on the contest.  

It&#039;s good to hear your discussion above.  Hearing (from you especially) that it&#039;s difficult makes me feel better because I just cranked out these chumby apps to find very quickly that there are a ton of tricks you need to keep the RAM down.  The emulators don&#039;t deal with that right?  

Finally, did you investigate using Java at all?  It seems like such another world but it seems like it&#039;s a worthy alternative.  Naturally, I could be off on this subtopic.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bill&#8211;feel free to share stuff here too&#8230; I&#8217;ll read it.</p>
<p>I have a couple direct comment/questions:</p>
<p>&#8216;Come back in a year&#8217;  funny&#8230; that line is what Macromedia has said for the last 5 years or so!  (Not their fault of course.)</p>
<p>I didn&#8217;t know the security model was different in flashlite&#8211;is that because Flash 7 is different than 8?  I guess I could research it but this is news to me.</p>
<p>OOP is for the developer not the app low end performance.  Back in the dark ages, I learned that when they added dot-syntax to Director it was actually slower than the verbose version&#8230; that&#8217;s fun.</p>
<p>You said scalabiliy&#8230; you&#8217;re just talking about scalling up the sophistication of the app right?  It&#8217;s not like you&#8217;re concerned with millions of users downloading the app, right?</p>
<p>Do you have a web port for us to check out or maybe just a video of you calendaring? I want to see. </p>
<p>Good luck on the contest.  </p>
<p>It&#8217;s good to hear your discussion above.  Hearing (from you especially) that it&#8217;s difficult makes me feel better because I just cranked out these chumby apps to find very quickly that there are a ton of tricks you need to keep the RAM down.  The emulators don&#8217;t deal with that right?  </p>
<p>Finally, did you investigate using Java at all?  It seems like such another world but it seems like it&#8217;s a worthy alternative.  Naturally, I could be off on this subtopic.</p>
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		By: Bill Perry		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Bill Perry]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 03 Mar 2007 02:49:58 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Hi Jesse,  Great post.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts and real world experiences when it comes to developing Flash Lite applications and how it compares to your experiences with Flash and Flex development.  I&#039;ll ping you offline to follow-up on some things you mentioned.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hi Jesse,  Great post.  Thanks for sharing your thoughts and real world experiences when it comes to developing Flash Lite applications and how it compares to your experiences with Flash and Flex development.  I&#8217;ll ping you offline to follow-up on some things you mentioned.</p>
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