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		By: Kevin Marino		</title>
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		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 21:37:19 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Rob,

You kinda hit the mark for the reason for AJAX version Flash in select situations. This is what people are missing. This concept of Open-Source versus so called &#039;Proprietary&#039; is really moot. 

The technology used needs to meet the client criteria and the developers budget. Skills can be learned but costs and restrictions are fairly fixed. 

In Robs case I bet its the users who have not explained the issue correctly and thus the problem. 

There needs to be more public applications of Flash to convince people that it really is much more viable than AJAX. To think if Gap had used Flash instead maybe there sites wouldn&#039;t have been down so long and have intermittent problems  after launch.

If MM can accomplish this, I bet the AJAX hype would die down significantly, oh Avalon will also help in this arena. Let them both live but realize there are real limitations to AJAX. As I&#039;ve said before can AJAX render a 3D Object?


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			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Rob,</p>
<p>You kinda hit the mark for the reason for AJAX version Flash in select situations. This is what people are missing. This concept of Open-Source versus so called &#8216;Proprietary&#8217; is really moot. </p>
<p>The technology used needs to meet the client criteria and the developers budget. Skills can be learned but costs and restrictions are fairly fixed. </p>
<p>In Robs case I bet its the users who have not explained the issue correctly and thus the problem. </p>
<p>There needs to be more public applications of Flash to convince people that it really is much more viable than AJAX. To think if Gap had used Flash instead maybe there sites wouldn&#8217;t have been down so long and have intermittent problems  after launch.</p>
<p>If MM can accomplish this, I bet the AJAX hype would die down significantly, oh Avalon will also help in this arena. Let them both live but realize there are real limitations to AJAX. As I&#8217;ve said before can AJAX render a 3D Object?</p>
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		By: Rob Cameron		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Rob Cameron]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 20:42:07 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[I&#039;ve moved almost completely away from Flash at this point.  My current company sells tactical equipment to the military and for whatever reason, they have problems viewing Flash on our site.  I find that hard to believe since I thought IE came with Flash pre-installed.  But, this complaint kept coming up again and again from customers.

That excludes Flex as well, although even if it didn&#039;t, I&#039;d never be able to convince my company to spend $12,000 on it.  I had to fight for weeks to get $1,500 for ColdFusion.  Flex is a great solution for companies with money, but us poor folk will stick with good ol&#039; HTML and Ajax. :)]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve moved almost completely away from Flash at this point.  My current company sells tactical equipment to the military and for whatever reason, they have problems viewing Flash on our site.  I find that hard to believe since I thought IE came with Flash pre-installed.  But, this complaint kept coming up again and again from customers.</p>
<p>That excludes Flex as well, although even if it didn&#8217;t, I&#8217;d never be able to convince my company to spend $12,000 on it.  I had to fight for weeks to get $1,500 for ColdFusion.  Flex is a great solution for companies with money, but us poor folk will stick with good ol&#8217; HTML and Ajax. :)</p>
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		By: Russell Bailey		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Bailey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:28:28 +0000</pubDate>
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You&#039;re a smart man, Patrick.]]></description>
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<p>You&#8217;re a smart man, Patrick.</p>
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		By: Russell Bailey		</title>
		<link>https://jessewarden.com/2005/10/ajax-the-alternatives.html/comment-page-1#comment-2969</link>

		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Russell Bailey]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:26:16 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Seems to me that AJAX solutions are great when you want your application to work like a web page. Being able to talk to a web service via JavaScript is great when you just want to reconfigure some sidebar links,  or update a list of bulletin board posts without re-retrieving all of them.

But when you really want the interface sophistication of a desktop app,  Flash Player is the way to go.  And I can get people to update it without asking them to download a whole new browser.

For example,  the coolest JavaScript app ever is Microsoft Outlook Web Access.  It&#039;s absolutely beautiful.  But if you asked me to write it,  I&#039;d tell you I was gonna do it in Flash.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seems to me that AJAX solutions are great when you want your application to work like a web page. Being able to talk to a web service via JavaScript is great when you just want to reconfigure some sidebar links,  or update a list of bulletin board posts without re-retrieving all of them.</p>
<p>But when you really want the interface sophistication of a desktop app,  Flash Player is the way to go.  And I can get people to update it without asking them to download a whole new browser.</p>
<p>For example,  the coolest JavaScript app ever is Microsoft Outlook Web Access.  It&#8217;s absolutely beautiful.  But if you asked me to write it,  I&#8217;d tell you I was gonna do it in Flash.</p>
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		By: Patrick Mineault		</title>
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		<dc:creator><![CDATA[Patrick Mineault]]></dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 14 Oct 2005 18:16:49 +0000</pubDate>
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					<description><![CDATA[Open-source lock-in is considerably different from vendor lock-in. If you have something highly specialized that relies on skills very few people have, then if the original contributor stops involvement then you can get the equivalent of vendor lock-in. For example, if laszlo dropped support I&#039;d be surprised a lot of people would have the desire to continue to maintain the product and add features, because it&#039;s so large and unapproachable for the novice. However, PHP projects for example tend to be easy to hack and contribute to, so they&#039;re hard to kill off (AMFPHP being a prime example, in fact). So for some things OS is more appropriate, for other things it&#039;s commercial. I&#039;ve said previously that people say  ing that open source will save the world makes me believe they&#039;re smoking crack. Computer programs are not the reason why the world is going to hell, and the open-source movement is not going to lead to an anarchist revolution, ferchrissake. It&#039;s just a good way for people to solve problems their own way and share it and have other people build on it. If a project doesn&#039;t fill that requirement then it doesn&#039;t have its place as OS software, and it will live only as long as the oringial developer cares to drag it along. Meanwhile if you rely on it and it&#039;s dropped then you&#039;re screwed. For something like Remoting implementations in various languages I think lock in is not a problem though because more than enough people have the skill to continue such a project as long as the target language is not completely foreign to most Flash developers (ie C). When I see stuff like GIMP though I think what&#039;s the point? Clones that offer only &#039;it&#039;s open-source&#039; as their selling point have no place. You have to have appeal outside of the OS argument UNLESS having source is critical (ie component sets/libraries etc.). Again right tool for the right job.]]></description>
			<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Open-source lock-in is considerably different from vendor lock-in. If you have something highly specialized that relies on skills very few people have, then if the original contributor stops involvement then you can get the equivalent of vendor lock-in. For example, if laszlo dropped support I&#8217;d be surprised a lot of people would have the desire to continue to maintain the product and add features, because it&#8217;s so large and unapproachable for the novice. However, PHP projects for example tend to be easy to hack and contribute to, so they&#8217;re hard to kill off (AMFPHP being a prime example, in fact). So for some things OS is more appropriate, for other things it&#8217;s commercial. I&#8217;ve said previously that people say  ing that open source will save the world makes me believe they&#8217;re smoking crack. Computer programs are not the reason why the world is going to hell, and the open-source movement is not going to lead to an anarchist revolution, ferchrissake. It&#8217;s just a good way for people to solve problems their own way and share it and have other people build on it. If a project doesn&#8217;t fill that requirement then it doesn&#8217;t have its place as OS software, and it will live only as long as the oringial developer cares to drag it along. Meanwhile if you rely on it and it&#8217;s dropped then you&#8217;re screwed. For something like Remoting implementations in various languages I think lock in is not a problem though because more than enough people have the skill to continue such a project as long as the target language is not completely foreign to most Flash developers (ie C). When I see stuff like GIMP though I think what&#8217;s the point? Clones that offer only &#8216;it&#8217;s open-source&#8217; as their selling point have no place. You have to have appeal outside of the OS argument UNLESS having source is critical (ie component sets/libraries etc.). Again right tool for the right job.</p>
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