Comments on: Mobile: Flash Player 9 vs. Flash Lite 3 http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html A blog on software development, technology, games & movies. Sun, 20 Jul 2008 16:40:52 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Curtis J. Morley http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-72433 Curtis J. Morley Thu, 03 Apr 2008 23:04:50 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-72433 Jesse, Interesting take on mobile development. I think you are right about Flex devs not jumping on the bandwagon. One because Flex component structure has such a large overhead and also because the UI really takes a UX designer to push a good app to mobile. One consideration that I didn't hear you talk about is supporting apps. As soon as people realize that the real power of Flash Lite is a small supporting app that keeps the user connected and informed in a small way Instead of bringing a full blown desktop app to phones then we will see a lot more Flash Lite applications. And Yes Sky Fire does look like it will rock. Jesse,

Interesting take on mobile development. I think you are right about Flex devs not jumping on the bandwagon. One because Flex component structure has such a large overhead and also because the UI really takes a UX designer to push a good app to mobile. One consideration that I didn’t hear you talk about is supporting apps. As soon as people realize that the real power of Flash Lite is a small supporting app that keeps the user connected and informed in a small way Instead of bringing a full blown desktop app to phones then we will see a lot more Flash Lite applications. And Yes Sky Fire does look like it will rock.

]]> By: Matthew Fabb http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-54879 Matthew Fabb Thu, 14 Feb 2008 04:00:45 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-54879 Flash 9 is available on software update for the Nokia N800 and then shipped with the Nokia N810. Now the N800 and N810 are both technically "Internet Tablet" devices, where you make phone calls through VoIP rather than traditional phone lines. However, it does show that the full Flash player can put on the more high-end mobile devices. At the same time I have no idea what the performance of Flash websites or Flex applications are like on these two devices. Another factor to throw into the mix, is the fact that Adobe is working on getting AIR on mobile devices. Adobe hasn't given us any timeline yet, but last September when Intel was showing off their Menlow chipset, it was brought up that it would be able to support AIR. Flash 9 is available on software update for the Nokia N800 and then shipped with the Nokia N810. Now the N800 and N810 are both technically “Internet Tablet” devices, where you make phone calls through VoIP rather than traditional phone lines. However, it does show that the full Flash player can put on the more high-end mobile devices. At the same time I have no idea what the performance of Flash websites or Flex applications are like on these two devices.

Another factor to throw into the mix, is the fact that Adobe is working on getting AIR on mobile devices. Adobe hasn’t given us any timeline yet, but last September when Intel was showing off their Menlow chipset, it was brought up that it would be able to support AIR.

]]> By: Ola Muldal http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-54809 Ola Muldal Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:24:41 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-54809 Another thing that hit me, what about linux mobiles? Will they support FP9, which already exist for the platform? I just read some news that several brands like Motorola and Samsung will come with new models based on LiMo. Another thing that hit me, what about linux mobiles? Will they support FP9, which already exist for the platform? I just read some news that several brands like Motorola and Samsung will come with new models based on LiMo.

]]> By: Ola Muldal http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-54804 Ola Muldal Wed, 13 Feb 2008 23:12:53 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-54804 Well, judging by the market, people just want the intarweb to work as it does on their regular PC's. This demand alone does not have too much to do with phone API's (i.e. call a phonenumber from a webapp), or development environments, but with content that simply just doesnt appear when they are browsing (and messages that ask them to install Flash Player 9). The issue that can be discussed is ofcourse the power of these devices. Since there has not been any Flash Player 9 on any mobile device, I don't really know how good or bad Flex apps would run, but what i do know is that Flashplayer 7 applications ran pretty fine on a Qtek mobile with Windows Mobile - 4(!) years ago. So I dont really think we are far off having a decent performance. In addition, developers are still getting used to quirks of the FP9 and all the updates already, getting into the Flash Lite is just to much of a hassle. With FP9 on mobile, mobile apps would explode. Well, judging by the market, people just want the intarweb to work as it does on their regular PC’s. This demand alone does not have too much to do with phone API’s (i.e. call a phonenumber from a webapp), or development environments, but with content that simply just doesnt appear when they are browsing (and messages that ask them to install Flash Player 9).

The issue that can be discussed is ofcourse the power of these devices. Since there has not been any Flash Player 9 on any mobile device, I don’t really know how good or bad Flex apps would run, but what i do know is that Flashplayer 7 applications ran pretty fine on a Qtek mobile with Windows Mobile - 4(!) years ago. So I dont really think we are far off having a decent performance.

In addition, developers are still getting used to quirks of the FP9 and all the updates already, getting into the Flash Lite is just to much of a hassle. With FP9 on mobile, mobile apps would explode.

]]> By: Phillip Kerman http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-54724 Phillip Kerman Wed, 13 Feb 2008 16:55:53 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/2008/02/mobile-flash-player-9-vs-flash-lite-3.html#comment-54724 The problem with mobile as I see it is that while there's a great opportunity to sell player licenses, there isn't enough opportunity for developers yet. There's opportunities--don't get me wrong, but exactly how many devs does it take to deliver to every phone? Some tiny fraction of those needed to support web apps. Over the last nearly 10 years all I've ever heard is about how something is coming soon. By the time Flex and Flash 9 works on phones it won't be good enough... there will be something else more interesting. Here's a great comparison. I've been following HDTV since 1988... 1988! 20 years and now we're talking about it really being here. So, just wake me up when there are jobs for this market... I've got clunky web projects to pay the bills until then. The problem with mobile as I see it is that while there’s a great opportunity to sell player licenses, there isn’t enough opportunity for developers yet. There’s opportunities–don’t get me wrong, but exactly how many devs does it take to deliver to every phone? Some tiny fraction of those needed to support web apps.

Over the last nearly 10 years all I’ve ever heard is about how something is coming soon. By the time Flex and Flash 9 works on phones it won’t be good enough… there will be something else more interesting. Here’s a great comparison. I’ve been following HDTV since 1988… 1988! 20 years and now we’re talking about it really being here. So, just wake me up when there are jobs for this market… I’ve got clunky web projects to pay the bills until then.

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