Comments on: Post AJUG: Flex is OK on the Server http://jessewarden.com/2005/03/post-ajug-flex-is-ok-on-the-server.html A blog on software development, technology, games & movies. Thu, 20 Nov 2008 22:24:14 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.5 By: Dan Glauser http://jessewarden.com/2005/03/post-ajug-flex-is-ok-on-the-server.html#comment-2416 Dan Glauser Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:45:24 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/?p=755#comment-2416 Thanks for coming to the meeting Jesse! We've been invited to come back on May 25th for the day long Atlanta Java Devcon. Sorry about the warpspeed time slot I promise to not only give you more time at the next one but to focus quite a bit more on MXML myself. More soon..... Thanks for coming to the meeting Jesse! We’ve been invited to come back on May 25th for the day long Atlanta Java Devcon. Sorry about the warpspeed time slot I promise to not only give you more time at the next one but to focus quite a bit more on MXML myself.

More soon…..

]]> By: Dave King http://jessewarden.com/2005/03/post-ajug-flex-is-ok-on-the-server.html#comment-2415 Dave King Thu, 17 Mar 2005 01:17:26 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/?p=755#comment-2415 Dude we had a great time. We were visiting from the Calgary JUG. You should think about taking up standup or motivational speaking. It was cool to hear a flash/flex guy go on about the merits of layout mangers :) - Peace Dude we had a great time. We were visiting from the Calgary JUG. You should think about taking up standup or motivational speaking.

It was cool to hear a flash/flex guy go on about the merits of layout mangers :)
- Peace

]]> By: JesterXL http://jessewarden.com/2005/03/post-ajug-flex-is-ok-on-the-server.html#comment-2414 JesterXL Thu, 17 Mar 2005 00:05:26 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/?p=755#comment-2414 Score++; That's great to hear (plus the email recently published on Flexcoders about the changes). I really want to make components for Flex! Score++; That’s great to hear (plus the email recently published on Flexcoders about the changes). I really want to make components for Flex!

]]> By: Matt Chotin http://jessewarden.com/2005/03/post-ajug-flex-is-ok-on-the-server.html#comment-2413 Matt Chotin Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:50:33 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/?p=755#comment-2413 Re: components in Flash. One reason that we haven't encouraged it for Flex is that it's nearly impossible to explain to non-Flash developers and we found many issues in having a clean integration model. The skinning architecture is a lot cleaner for Flex users when it's done programmatically, but we also do want to suppor the Flash developer who does more graphical assets. We're working hard now on improving the workflows and getting both types of developers involved in building Flex apps. Re: components in Flash. One reason that we haven’t encouraged it for Flex is that it’s nearly impossible to explain to non-Flash developers and we found many issues in having a clean integration model. The skinning architecture is a lot cleaner for Flex users when it’s done programmatically, but we also do want to suppor the Flash developer who does more graphical assets. We’re working hard now on improving the workflows and getting both types of developers involved in building Flex apps.

]]> By: JesterXL http://jessewarden.com/2005/03/post-ajug-flex-is-ok-on-the-server.html#comment-2412 JesterXL Wed, 16 Mar 2005 23:32:32 +0000 http://jessewarden.com/?p=755#comment-2412 - Prototype langauges, such as AS1, and parts of AS2 support quick development and quick test cases. Flex, although it supports AS2, has a stricter compiler, stricter and more enforced methodlogies (you can't use lv['owner'] = this to get around the non-parent variable of LoadVars in Flex like you can in Flash to fool the compiler) - Flex 1.0 had some support for skinning Flash comonents for use in Flex. Flex 1.5 has changed this perspective and supports skinning programmatically. While great, it prevents Flash from having as much as a design impact on Flex since a lot of what the average wants to do in skinning components can now be done in Flex without the need of Flash - Using a Flex generated SWF outside of the Flex generated HTML wrapper in a browser violates the EULA. This prevents win32/fat client/smart client development, which is a lot of what I do with Flash. 3rd party wrappers such as Zinc, mProjector, as well as Macromedia's own Director are typically used to further Flash' functionailty on the desktop; you can't do that with Flex legally. - They have stated many times on the Flexcoders' list (Macromedia employees) that they don't encourage prototype manipulation; prefer inheritance (since it's easy to do in Flex), they don't encourage Flash component development since they feel, I believe, that the majority of components in Flex are already there for you, and the ones you need to tweak are customizable via CSS and exposed skinning properties. - Finally, every Flash developer I know, save 1 (Ted Patrick) thinks having Flex on the server is ridicolous and makes no sense. Java developers and others I've read about & judged reactions have absolutely no problem with this, dare I say, prefer it since everything else they typically do is on a server. - Prototype langauges, such as AS1, and parts of AS2 support quick development and quick test cases. Flex, although it supports AS2, has a stricter compiler, stricter and more enforced methodlogies (you can’t use lv[’owner’] = this to get around the non-parent variable of LoadVars in Flex like you can in Flash to fool the compiler)

- Flex 1.0 had some support for skinning Flash comonents for use in Flex. Flex 1.5 has changed this perspective and supports skinning programmatically. While great, it prevents Flash from having as much as a design impact on Flex since a lot of what the average wants to do in skinning components can now be done in Flex without the need of Flash

- Using a Flex generated SWF outside of the Flex generated HTML wrapper in a browser violates the EULA. This prevents win32/fat client/smart client development, which is a lot of what I do with Flash. 3rd party wrappers such as Zinc, mProjector, as well as Macromedia’s own Director are typically used to further Flash’ functionailty on the desktop; you can’t do that with Flex legally.

- They have stated many times on the Flexcoders’ list (Macromedia employees) that they don’t encourage prototype manipulation; prefer inheritance (since it’s easy to do in Flex), they don’t encourage Flash component development since they feel, I believe, that the majority of components in Flex are already there for you, and the ones you need to tweak are customizable via CSS and exposed skinning properties.

- Finally, every Flash developer I know, save 1 (Ted Patrick) thinks having Flex on the server is ridicolous and makes no sense. Java developers and others I’ve read about & judged reactions have absolutely no problem with this, dare I say, prefer it since everything else they typically do is on a server.

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